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Environmentprotection&EconomicdevelopmentThepositiveside:EnvironmentprotectionismoreimportantThenegativeside:Economicdevelopmentismoreimportant過程概述:開場(chǎng):H:Today'sdebateisfocusonwhetherenvironmentprotectionoreconomicdevelopmentismoreimportant.P1andP2supportthatenvironmentprotectionismoreimportant,whichisonthepositivesidewhileO1andO2arguethateconomicdevelopmentismoreimport,whichisonthenegativeside.觀點(diǎn)陳述:H:Tobeginwith,I'dlikethepositivesidetostateyourpointofview,please.正方一辯極其觀點(diǎn)陳述:H:Next,I'dlikethenegativesidetopresentyouropinion,please.具體觀點(diǎn)(Pl)反方一辯及其觀點(diǎn)陳述:具體觀點(diǎn)(01)自由辯論:H:Bothsideshavemadetheirstatements,sonowweenterintothefreedebate.H:Firstly,I'dlikethenegativesidetoraisequestions.反方提問,正方回答Q1:優(yōu)先發(fā)展經(jīng)濟(jì)不是普遍愿望嗎? 02TOP2Q2:我們應(yīng)當(dāng)回歸人類祖先的原始生話嗎? 02TOP2A1:經(jīng)濟(jì)發(fā)展是人類發(fā)展的原動(dòng)力O1A2:環(huán)境是經(jīng)濟(jì)發(fā)展的基礎(chǔ)P1H:Next,I'dliketochangeexchangetherolesandthepositivesideraisesquestions.正方提問,反方回答Q1:花更多的空間和時(shí)間來處理環(huán)境問題,這難道不是得不償失P2TOO2Q2:環(huán)境成本大于經(jīng)濟(jì)效益的情況。這樣的經(jīng)濟(jì)是發(fā)展還是倒退?P1TOO1Q3:什么時(shí)候才算是“強(qiáng)有力”的資本和技術(shù)?保護(hù)環(huán)境迫在眉睫。P1TOO1Q4:環(huán)境承載力作為標(biāo)準(zhǔn),保護(hù)環(huán)境不應(yīng)在當(dāng)下?P2TOO2總結(jié)陳詞:H:Nowbothsidespleasemakeasummaryofyourviews.Thepositivesidegoesfirst,andthenthenegativeside.正方總結(jié):(P2)反方總結(jié):(O2)注:Qreferstoquestion,問題;Areferstoargument,爭(zhēng)論Hrefersto主持人P1referstoProposition1正方一辯;O1referstoOpposition1反方一辯P2referstoProposition2正方二辯;O2referstoOpposition2反方二辯若12min時(shí)自由辯論還沒完,打斷自由辯論環(huán)節(jié)直接進(jìn)入總結(jié)環(huán)節(jié)H:Sorrytointerrupt,timeislimitedandnowbothsidespleasemakeasummaryofyourviews.Thepositivesidegoesfirst,andthenthenegativeside.具體過程:開場(chǎng):H:Today'sdebateisfocusonwhetherenvironmentprotectionoreconomicdevelopmentismoreimportant.P1andP2supportthatenvironmentprotectionismoreimportantwhileO1andO2arguethateconomicdevelopmentismoreimport.觀點(diǎn)陳述:H:Tobeginwith,I'dlikethepositivesidetostateyourpointofview,please.正方一辯極其觀點(diǎn)陳述:為了給我們的觀點(diǎn)設(shè)定框架,我們覺得有必要聲明,一切的經(jīng)濟(jì)發(fā)展都是建立于環(huán)境之上,沒有環(huán)境,何來經(jīng)濟(jì)的發(fā)展。如若環(huán)境遭受嚴(yán)重破壞,那么它的回復(fù)時(shí)間與代價(jià)都遠(yuǎn)非金融危機(jī)等問題可相比擬。如今已有許多關(guān)于人們不注重于保護(hù)環(huán)境而引發(fā)惡果的事件,例如霧霾,土地荒漠化,水環(huán)境污染等。環(huán)境是一切自然生命之本,而人類必然是自然環(huán)境的一部分,所以我們應(yīng)盡量去把握人與自然的平衡。環(huán)境保護(hù)并不是一定需要經(jīng)濟(jì)的支持,它可以是一種環(huán)保的意識(shí),在某些方面,保護(hù)環(huán)境反而會(huì)推動(dòng)經(jīng)濟(jì)的發(fā)展。環(huán)境與經(jīng)濟(jì)并非不可共存,只是只有在保障著環(huán)境的基礎(chǔ)之上去發(fā)展經(jīng)濟(jì),才是最為理想與科學(xué)的社會(huì)發(fā)展方式。因此,我堅(jiān)信環(huán)境保護(hù)更為重要。Tosettheframeworkforouropinion,webelieveitisnecessarytostatethat,alleconomicdevelopmentisbuiltontheenvironment,whichcouldbeextendedtosaythatnoenvironment,noeconomicdevelopment.Iftheenvironmentisseriouslydamaged,itsrecoverytakesmuchmoretimeandcostthanwhatweexpectinthefinancialcrisis.Nowadays,therearemanyterribleincidentswhichcausedbyignoranceaboutenvironmentprotectionofpeople,suchasfogandhaze,landdesertification,waterpollutionandsoon.Inaddition,environmentisthebasisofallnaturallifeandhumanbeingsaredefinitelypartofnaturalenvironmentsothatWeshouldtrytograspthebalancebetweenhumanandnature.Furthermore,environmentprotectiondoesnotnecessarilyneedeconomicsupport.Insomeways,itcanbeasenseofenvironmentprotectionwhichwillpromotethedevelopmentoftheeconomy.Infact,bothenvironmentandeconomycouldcoexistonlybydevelopingtheeconomyonthebasisofenvironmentprotection,whichisthemostidealandscientificwayofsocialdevelopment.Therefore,I'mconvincedthatenvironmentalprotectionismoreimportant.H:Next,I'dlikethenegativesidetopresentyouropinion,please.反方一辯及其觀點(diǎn)陳述:首先,我們想要澄清的是,從過去世界上各個(gè)國家的發(fā)展歷史經(jīng)驗(yàn)以及一般發(fā)展規(guī)律來看,經(jīng)濟(jì)發(fā)展歷來被放在首要地位。無論處理什么問題,我們發(fā)現(xiàn),只要優(yōu)先發(fā)展經(jīng)濟(jì),我們就能夠有足夠時(shí)間和空間來解決。優(yōu)先發(fā)展經(jīng)濟(jì),不代表我們要走先污染后治理的老路。要徹底解決環(huán)境的問題,我們需要為當(dāng)前的環(huán)境問題提供技術(shù)、資金等支持。同時(shí),我們需要從根本上優(yōu)化經(jīng)濟(jì)結(jié)構(gòu)以便從源頭上堵住環(huán)境問題的源頭??偟膩碚f,我深信,只有當(dāng)經(jīng)濟(jì)發(fā)展走在前面才能為人類生存和發(fā)展提供環(huán)境保障。Inthefirstplacewewouldliketomakeclearthat,fromhistoricalexperiencesandgeneraldevelopmentlawsofvariouscountriesinthepast,economicdevelopmenthasalwaysbeenplacedfirst.Secondly,Nomatterwhatproblemswedealwith,wefindthatifwegiveprioritytoeconomicdevelopment,wewillhaveenoughtimeandspacetosolvethem.Inaddition,Givingprioritytoeconomicdevelopmentdoesnotmeanthatweshouldtaketheoldroadof"managementafterpollution".Tosolvetheproblemoftheenvironmentthoroughly,weneedtoprovidesupportforthecurrentenvironmentalproblems,suchastechnology,funds.Meanwhile,wealsoneedtooptimizetheeconomicstructurefundamentallyinordertoblockthesourceoftheenvironmentalproblems.Aboveall,Istronglybelievethat,onlywheneconomicdevelopmentgoaheadcanenvironmentprotectionbeprovidedforhumansurvivalanddevelopment.自由辯論:H:Bothsideshavemadetheirstatements,sonowweenterintothefreedebate.H:Firstly,I'dlikethenegativesidetoraisequestions.反方提問,正方回答反方二辯:眾所周知,經(jīng)濟(jì)發(fā)展是讓人們享受到豐富的生活內(nèi)容,包括衣食?住行娛樂,這難道不是現(xiàn)在社會(huì)上人們的普遍愿望嗎?Asweallknow,theresponsibilityofeconomicdevelopmentistoletpeopleenjoyalifeofrichcontent,includingthebasicnecessitiesandentertainment,isn'tittheuniversaldesireofpeopleinthesocietynow?正方二辯:人們喜歡的期望的不一定都是好的。我相信,人們更傾向于在一個(gè)既能享受到生活樂趣,同時(shí)又是一個(gè)健康和諧自然的環(huán)境中生存。Whatpeopleliketoexpectisnotnecessarilygood.Ibelievethatpeopletendtoliveinalifeofhappiness,andatthesametime,surviveinahealthyandharmoniousnaturalenvironment.反方二辯:請(qǐng)問對(duì)方辯友,?原始社會(huì)的人類祖先們環(huán)境保護(hù)工作做得可謂好了吧,?而他們?經(jīng)濟(jì)發(fā)展很落后,所以他們才一直過著鉆木取火、茹毛飲血的生活,按你們的?意思我們應(yīng)該回歸這種生活嗎?Excuse?me,?my?fellow?friends.inprimitivesociety,Humanancestorsdidwellinenvironmentalprotection.However,thetheireconomicdevelopmentisverybackward,sotheyhadbeenlivingalifeofmakingfireby?frictionanddrinkingblood.Shouldwereturntothiskindoflifeaccordingtoyourmeaning?正方二辯:人類祖先確實(shí)要發(fā)展經(jīng)濟(jì),但是如果在這個(gè)過程中砍光了森林,污染河流,衣食得不到保障,在這種情況下那么他們也無法發(fā)展下去。Thehumanancestorsdidhavetodeveloptheeconomy,butiftheycutoutthefrostsandpollutetherivers,thefoodandclothingwouldnotbeguaranteed,inwhichcasetheycouldnotcontinuetodevelop.反方一辯:我不同意你的觀點(diǎn)。從人類與自然的關(guān)系上看,這個(gè)地球上如果沒有人類,環(huán)境保護(hù)就會(huì)變得毫無意義,而經(jīng)濟(jì)發(fā)展作為人類發(fā)展的原動(dòng)力,使我們擺脫了最早一批人們的生活,使我們?nèi)伺c自然的關(guān)系更為和諧更為緊密。因此,人類逐步意識(shí)到了環(huán)境保護(hù)的重要性,并為環(huán)境保護(hù)制定了一系列的措施和法律制度。Idisagreewithyou.Fromtherelationshipbetweenhumanandnature,theenvironmentalprotectionwillbecomemeaninglesswithouthumanbeingsonthisearth.However,theeconomicdevelopment,asthemotiveforceofhumandevelopment,hasmadeusgetridofthelifeoftheearliestpeople,whichalsomakesourrelationshipwithnaturemoreharmoniousandcloser.Therefore,humanbeingsaregraduallyawareoftheimportanceofenvironmentprotectionandhaveformulatedaseriesofmeasuresandlegalsystemsforenvironmentprotection.正方一辯:我承認(rèn)經(jīng)濟(jì)發(fā)展確實(shí)是原動(dòng)力。但人類發(fā)展到今天,環(huán)境問題越來越突出。沒有扎實(shí)的環(huán)境基礎(chǔ),想要生活得更好這種想法恐怕只能是一種笑話。保護(hù)環(huán)境并不是會(huì)拖慢甚至停止經(jīng)濟(jì)的發(fā)展,它反而對(duì)促進(jìn)經(jīng)濟(jì)有著積極的影響;有了更好的環(huán)境,經(jīng)濟(jì)的發(fā)展的質(zhì)量才會(huì)有質(zhì)的提升。Iadmitthateconomicdevelopmentisreallythedrivingforce.Butwiththedevelopmentofmankind,environmentalproblemsarebecomingmoreandmoreserious.Theideaofwantingtolivebetterwithoutasolidfoundationofenvironmentisprobablyajoke.Theenvironmentprotectiondoesnotslowdownorstoptheeconomicdevelopment.Onthecontrary,ithasapositiveeffectonpromotingeconomicdevelopment;withabetterenvironment,thequalityofeconomicdevelopmentwillbeimproved.H:Next,I'dliketochangeexchangetherolesandthepositivesideraisesquestions.正方提問,反方回答正方二辯:現(xiàn)在,對(duì)方辯友,請(qǐng)?jiān)试S我提問。你之前提到,優(yōu)先發(fā)展經(jīng)濟(jì)使得我們能夠有足夠的時(shí)間和空間來解決問題。然而,過去的發(fā)展道路走的就是先污染后治理的模式,結(jié)果呢,環(huán)境問題日益突出,局部地區(qū)已經(jīng)到了威脅生存的程度?。我們現(xiàn)在需要花更多的空間和時(shí)間來處理環(huán)境問題,這難道不是得不償失?Nowmy?fellow?debaters?,please?allow?me?to?ask.?Asyoumentionedbefore,givingprioritytotheeconomicdevelopmentenablesustosolveproblemswithenoughtimeandspace.However,thedevelopmentpathofthepastfollowsthepatternof""managementafterpollution"".Asaresult,environmentproblemsbecomeincreasinglyurgentandsomeareashavereachedthedegreeofthreattosurvival.Weneedtospendmorespaceandtimetodealwithenvironmentalproblems,Doesn'ttheloseoutweighthegain?反方二辯:我注意到對(duì)方辯友提到關(guān)于過去的發(fā)展道路。的確,當(dāng)時(shí)那樣的發(fā)展模式確實(shí)帶來一些環(huán)境問題,但是它同時(shí)帶來國家經(jīng)濟(jì)的蓬勃增長。尤其是改革開放40年來,中國國內(nèi)生產(chǎn)總值年均增長約9.5%。在過去,我們很難想像在優(yōu)先發(fā)展經(jīng)濟(jì)的方針能夠給環(huán)境保護(hù)提供高效實(shí)用的新技術(shù),以及大量可用的資本。優(yōu)先發(fā)展經(jīng)濟(jì),我們不僅獲得強(qiáng)勁的經(jīng)濟(jì)增長,還能獲得更多的支持以便開展環(huán)境保護(hù),使得我們能夠高效率解決環(huán)境問題,何來得不償失這種說法?Inoticedthatyoumentionedthedevelopmentpathofthepast.Indeed,thedevelopmentpatternatthattimedidbringsomeenvironmentalproblems,butitalsobroughtaboutthevigorousgrowthofthenationaleconomy.Especiallyinthepast40yearsofreformandopeningup,ChineseGDPhasincreasedbyanaverageof9.5%annually.Inthepast,itishardtoimaginethattheprincipleofgivingprioritytoeconomicdevelopmentcanprovideefficientandpracticalnewtechnologiesforenvironmentalprotectionandalargeamountofcapitalavailable.Givingprioritytoeconomicdevelopment,wenotonlygetstrongeconomicgrowth,butalsogetmoresupporttocarryoutenvironmentalprotectionsothatwecansolveenvironmentalproblemsefficiently.Howcomesthesayingthattheloseoutweighsthegain?正方一辯:按照你的說法,如果我們優(yōu)先發(fā)展經(jīng)濟(jì),很可能造成環(huán)境成本大于經(jīng)濟(jì)效益的情況。這樣的經(jīng)濟(jì)是發(fā)展還是倒退?Accordingtoyoursaying,ifwegiveprioritytothedevelopmentoftheeconomy,itislikelytocauseenvironmentalcoststoexceedeconomicbenefits.Isthiseconomydevelopingorretreating?反方一辯:這種情況確實(shí)有存在,但并不是每時(shí)每刻都存在。各個(gè)行業(yè)情況不同,我們不能以偏概全。即便這種情況下經(jīng)濟(jì)效益是負(fù)的,那我們改行環(huán)境保護(hù)優(yōu)先,就能轉(zhuǎn)虧為盈?我不這么覺得。在我看來,強(qiáng)有力的資金和技術(shù)支持才是扭虧為盈的關(guān)鍵。Thissituationdoesexist,butitdoesnotexistallthetime.Thesituationineachindustryisdifferentandwecan'tholdapartasthewhole.,Evenifeconomicbenefitsarenegativeinthiscase,canweturnlossintoprofitbygivingprioritytoenvironmentprotection?Idon'tthinkso.Inmyview,strongfinancialandtechnologicalsupportisthekeytoturninglossintoprofit.正方一辯:科技發(fā)展無止盡,經(jīng)濟(jì)發(fā)展也沒盡頭,什么時(shí)候算得上是有“強(qiáng)有力”的資金、技術(shù)呢?但是環(huán)境保護(hù)是迫在眉睫,耽誤不起啊。scienceandtechnologydevelopendlessly,sodoestheeconomicdevelopment.Whenwillitbe"strong"capitalandtechnology?Butenvironmentalprotectionisimminent,whichcannotaffordtodelay.反方一辯:我不同意(你的觀點(diǎn))。在如今的21世紀(jì),我們通過資金和技術(shù)的累積已經(jīng)形成了比較完善的環(huán)境治理體系,能夠解決大部分環(huán)境問題。政府也同時(shí)下調(diào)了經(jīng)濟(jì)增長的預(yù)期,為解決霧霾,水土流失等問題提供更多的支持。并不是說經(jīng)濟(jì)優(yōu)先就不搞環(huán)保了,只是環(huán)保處于較次的位置。Idisagree.Intoday'stwenty-firstCentury,throughtheaccumulationofcapitalandtechnology,wehaveformedarelativelyperfectenvironmentalgovernancesystem,whichcansolvemostoftheenvironmentalproblems.Thegovernmentalsolowereditseconomicgrowthexpectations,providingmoresupporttosolveproblemssuchasfogandhaze,soilerosionandsoon.Wearenotsayingthatgivingprioritytoeconomicdevelopmentmeansnoenvironmentalprotection,butsayingthatenvironmentalprotectionisinasecondaryposition.正方二辯:您說的優(yōu)先解決經(jīng)濟(jì)問題,再解決環(huán)境問題,應(yīng)該有個(gè)標(biāo)準(zhǔn)吧,而這個(gè)標(biāo)準(zhǔn)不是你我能定的,是環(huán)境承載力定的,現(xiàn)在的環(huán)境問題刻不容緩,保護(hù)環(huán)境的時(shí)間難道不是當(dāng)下嗎?Yousaidthatgiveprioritytosolvingeconomicproblems,andthensolveenvironmentalproblems.Butshouldn'twehaveastandard?AndneitheryouorIcansetthestandard,butitisuptotheenvironmentalbearingcapacity.Nowtheenvironmentalproblemsbecomeincreasinglyurgent,isn'tittherightmomenttoprotecttheenvironmentnow?反方二辯:我承認(rèn)環(huán)境承載力這個(gè)標(biāo)準(zhǔn)雖然合乎邏輯,但是我不認(rèn)為現(xiàn)在大多環(huán)境問題已經(jīng)到了刻不容緩的地步。前面我已經(jīng)提到,良好的環(huán)境治理體系和來自政府的支持使得環(huán)境問題已經(jīng)得到重視并且環(huán)境保護(hù)在許多方面取得了成效。顯然,這有效地減輕了環(huán)境的壓力。這一切要?dú)w功于優(yōu)先發(fā)展經(jīng)濟(jì),這使得我們有能力,有信心解決一切環(huán)境問題。Iadmitthatthestandardofenvironmentalbearingcapacityisoflogic,butIdisagreethatmostoftheenvironmentalproblemsarenowinurgentsituation.AsImentionedbefore,thegoodenvironmentalgovernancesystemandthesupportfromthegovernmenthaveattachimportancetoenvironmentalproblemsandmanyachievementshavebeenmadeinenvironmentalprotection.Obviously,thiscouldeffectivelylightenthepressureoftheenvironment.Allthisisduetogivingprioritytoeconomicdevelopment,whichenablesustohavetheabilityandconfidencetosolveallenvironmentalproblems.總結(jié)陳詞:H:Nowbothsidespleasemakeasummaryofyourviews.Thepositivesidegoesfirst,andthenthenegativeside.正方總結(jié):過去的發(fā)展道路走的就是先污染后治理的模式,結(jié)果呢,環(huán)境問題突出,局部地區(qū)已經(jīng)到了威脅生存的程度:再者,先污染后治理的模式不但成本高,而且治理效果也不理想,處于一種被動(dòng)的境地。因此,必須從源頭開始防止污染,也就是發(fā)展過程首先考慮對(duì)環(huán)境可能的影響,只有這樣,才能有望在將來解決環(huán)境問題。AsfarasIamconcerned,thedevelopmentpathofthepastfollowsthepatternof“managementafterpollution
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