比爾蓋茨談能源(TED字幕)

1、 Im going to talk today about energy and climate. And that might seem a bit surprising because my full-time work at the foundation is mostly about vaccines and seeds,about the things that we need to invent and deliver to help the poorest two billion live better lives. But energy and climate are extr

2、emely important to these people,in fact,more important than anyone else on the planet. The climate getting worse means that many years that many years,their crops wont grow . There will be too much rain,not enough rain,things will change in ways that their fragile environment simply cant support. An

3、d that leads to starvation,it leads to uncertainty,it leads to unrest. So, the price of energy is very important to them. In fact, if you could pick just one thing to lower th- e price of, to reduce poverty, by far you would pick energy. Now ,the price of energy has become down over time. Really adv

4、anced civilization is based on advances in energy.The coal revolution fueled the Industrial Revolution, and,even in 1990s weve seen a very rapid decline in the price of electricity, and thats why we have refrigerators,air-conditioning, we can make modern materials and do so many things. And so ,were

5、 in a wonderful situation with electricity in the rich world. But, as we make it cheaper-and lets go for making it twice as cheap-we need to meet a new constrain,and that constrain has to do with CO2. CO2 is warning the planet, and the equation on CO2 is actually a very straightforward one. If you s

6、um up the CO2 that gets emitted,that leads to a temperature increase, and that temperature increase leads to some very negative effects: the effects on the weather, perhaps worse, the indirect effects,in that the nature ecosystems cant adjust to these rapid changes, and so you get ecosystem collapse

7、s.Now, the exact amount of how you map from a certain increase of CO2 to what temperature will be and where the positive feedback are, theres some uncertainty there,but not very much. And theres certainly uncertainty about how bad those effects will be, but they will be extremely bad. I asked the to

8、p scientists on this several times.Do we really have to get down to near zero? Cant we just cut it in half or a quarter? And the answer is that until we get near to zero,the temperature will continue to rise. And so thats a big challenge. Its very different than saying “Were a twelve-foot-high truck

9、 trying to get under a ten-foot bridge, and we can just sort of squeeze under.” This is something that has to get to zero. Now,we put out of a lot of carbon dioxide every year, over 26 billion tons. For each American, its about 20 tons; for people in poor countries,its less than one ton. Its an aver

10、age of about five tons for everyone on the planet.And, somehow, we have to make changes that will bring that down to zero. Its been constantly going up. Its only various economic changes that have been flattened it at all, so we have to go from rapid rising to falling, and falling all the way to zer

11、o. This equation has four factors, a little bit of multiplication: So, youre got a thing on the left,CO2,that you want to get to zero,and thats going to be based on the number of people,the services each persons using on average,the energy on average for each service, and the CO2 being put out per u

12、nit of energy. So ,lets look at each one of these and see how we get this down to zero. Probably, one of this number is going to have to get pretty near to zero. Now thats back from high school algebra,but lets take a look. First, weve got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. Thats he

13、aded up to about nine billion. Now ,if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by ,perhaps, 10 or 15 percent, but there we see an increase of about 1.3. The second factor is the services we use. This encompass everything: the foot we e

14、at, clothing, TV,heating. These are very good things:getting rid of poverty means providing these services to almost everyone on the planet. And its a great thing for this number to go up. In the rich world,perhaps the top one billion,we probably could cut back and use less,but every year, this nume

15、r, on average,is going to go up,and so, over all,that will more than double,the services delivered per person. Here we have a very basic service: Do you have lighting in your house to be able to read your homework? And, in fact,these kids dont,so theyre going out and reading their school work under

16、the street lamps. Now, efficiency,E,the energy for each service,here finally we have some good news. We have something thats not going up. Through various inventions and new ways of doing lighting through different types of car,different ways of building-there are a lot of services where you can bri

17、ng the energy for that service down quite substantially. There are other services like how we make fertilizer,or how we do air transport,where the rooms for improvement are far ,far less. And so,overall here,if were optimistic,we may get a reduction of a factor of three to even,perhaps, a factor of

18、six. But for these first three factors now,weve gone from 26billion to, at best,may 13 billion tons, and that just wont cut it. So lets look at this fourth factor-this is going to be a key one-and this is the amount of CO2 put out per each unit of energy. And so the question is:can you actually get

19、that to zero? If you burn coal,no. If you burn natural gas,no. Almost every way make electricity today,except for the emerging renewables and nuclear,puts out CO2. And so,what were going to have to do at a global scale,is create a new system.And so,we need energy miracles. Now, when I use the term “

20、miracle,” I dont mean something thats impossible. The microprocessor is a miracle. The personal computer is a miracle. The Internet and its services are miracles. So, the people here have participated in the creation of many miracles. Usually, we dont have a deadline,where you have to get the miracl

21、e by a certain date. Usually, you just kind of stand by and some come along. This is a case where we actually have to drive at full speed and get a miracle in a pretty tight timeline. Now I thought, “how could I really capture this?Is there some kind of natural illustration,some demonstration that w

22、ould grab peoples imagination here?” I thought back to a year ago when I brought mosquitos, and somehow people enjoyed that. It really got them involved in the ideal of, you know,there are people who live with mosquitos. So, with energy, all I could come up with is this. I decided that releasing fir

23、eflies would be my contribution to the environment here this year. So here we have some natural fireflies. Im told they dont bite, in fact,they might not even leave that jar. Now,there all sorts of gimmicky solutions like that one,but they dont really add up to much. We need solutions-either one or

24、several-that have unbelievable scale and unbelievable reliability, and, although theres many directions people are seeking, I really only see five that can achieve the big numbers. Ive left out tide, geothermal,fusion, biofuels. Those may make some contribution, and if they can do better than I expe

25、ct, so much the better, but my key point here is that weve going to have to work on each of these five, and we cant give up any of them because they look daunting,because they all have significant challenges. Lets look first at the burning fossil fuels,either burning coal or burning natural gas. Wha

26、t you need to do there,seems like it might be simple,but its not, and thats to take all the CO2, after youve burned it, going out the flue,pressurize it, create a liquid, put it somewhere,and hope it stays there. Now we have some pilot things that do this at the 60 to 80 percent level, but getting t

27、o that full percentage,that will be very tricky, and agreeing on where these CO2 quantities should be put will be hard, but the toughest one here is this long-term issue. Whos going to be sure? Whos going to guarantee something that is literally billions of time large than any type of of wasted you

28、think of in terms of nuclear or other things? This is a lot of volume. So thats a tough one. Next would be nuclear. It also has three big problems: Cost, particularly in highly regulated countries,is high, the issue of the the safety, really feeling good about nothing could go wrong ,that,even thoug

29、h you have these human operators,that the fuel doesnt get used for weapons. And then what do you do with the waste? And ,although its not very large, there are a lot of concerns about that. People need to feel good about it. So three very tough problems that might be solvable,and so ,should be worke

30、d on. The last three of the five,Ive grouped together. These are what people often refer to as the renewable. And they actually-although its great they dont require fuel -they have some disadvantages. One of that the density of energy gathered in these technologies is dramatically less than a power

31、plan. This is energy farming, so youre talking about many square miles, thousands of time more area than you think of as a normal energy plant. Also, these are intermittent sources. The sun doesnt shine all day,it doesnt shine every day, and,likewise,the wind doesnt blow all the time. And also, if y

32、ou depend on these sources,you have to have some way of getting the energy during those time period thats its not a available. So, weve got big cost challenges here,we have transmission challenges: for example,say this energy source is outside your country; you not only need the technology, but you

33、have to deal with the risk of the energy coming from elsewhere. And finally, this storage problem. And, to dimensionalize this, I went through and looked at all types of batteries that get made-for cars, for computers, for phones, for flashlights, for everything-and compared that to the amount of el

34、ectricity energy the world uses,and what found is that all the batteries we make now could store less than 10 minutes of all the energy. And so, in fact, we need a big breakthrough here, something thats going to be a factor of 100 better than the approaches we have now. Its not impossible, but its n

35、ot a easy thing . Now, this shows up when you try to get the intermittent source to be above,say, 20 to 30 percent of what youre using. If youre counting on it for 100 percent,you need a miracle battery. Now, how were going to go forward on this-whats the right approach? Is it a Manhattan Project? W

36、hats the thing that can get using. Whats the thing that can get us there? Well, we need lots of companies working on this,hundreds. In each of these five paths, we need at less a hundred people. And a lot of them,youll look at and say, “theyre crazy”. Thats good. And, I think, here in the TED group.

37、We have many people who are already pursuing this. Bill Gross has several companies, including one called eSolar that has some great solar thermal technologies. Vinod Khoslas investing in dozens of companies that are doing great things and have interesting possibilities, and Im trying to help back t

38、hat. Nathan Myhrvold and I actually are backing a company that, perhaps surprisingly,is actually taking the nuclear approach. There are some innovation in nuclear: modular, liquid. And innovation really stopped in this industry quite some ago, so the idea that theres some good ideas laying around is

39、 not all that surprising. The idea of TerraPower is that, instead of burning a part of uranium-the one percent, which is the U235-we decided, “Lets burn the 99 percent, the U238. ” Its kind of crazy idea. In fact,people had talked about it for a long time, but they could never simulate properly whet

40、her it would work or not, and so its through the advent of modern supercomputers that now you can simulate and see that, yes, with the right materials approach, this looks like it would work. And, because youre burning that 99 percent you have greatly improved cost profile. You actually burn up the

41、waste, and you can actually use as fuel all the leftover waste from todays reactors. So, instead of worrying about them, you just take that. Its a great thing. It breathes this uranium as it goes along, so its kind of like a candle. You can see its a log here, often referred to as a traveling wave r

42、eactor. In terms of fuel, this really solves the problem. Ive got a picture here of a place in Kentucky. This is the leftover, the 99 percent, where theyve taken out the part they burn now, so its called depleted uranium. That would power the U.S for hundreds of years. And, simply by filtering seawa

43、ter in an inexpensive process, youd have enough fuel for the entire lifetime of the rest of the planet. So, you know, its got lots of challenges ahead,but it is an example of the many hundreds and hundreds of ideas that we need to move forward. So lets think:How should we measure ourselves? What sho

44、uld our report card look like? Well, lets go out to where we really need to get, and then look at the intermediate. For 2050, youve heard many people talk about this 80 percent reduction. That really is very important,that we get there. And that 20 percent will be used up by things going on in poor

45、countries, still some agriculture, hopefully we will have cleaned up forestry, cement. So, to get that percent, the developed countries, including countries like China, will have had to switch their electricity generation altogether. So, the other grade is: Are we deploying this zero-emission techno

46、logy, have we deployed in all the developed countries and were in the process of getting it elsewhere? Thats super important. Thats a key element of making the report card. So, backing up from there,what should the 2020 report card look like?Well, again, it should go through these efficiency measure

47、s to start getting reductions. The less we emit, the less that sum will be of CO2, and, therefore, the less the temperature. But in some ways, the grade we get there,doing things that dont get us all the way to the big reductions,is only equally, or maybe even slightly less,important than the other, which is the piece of innovation on these breakthroughs. These breakthroughs, we need to move those at full speed, and we can measure that in terms of companies, pilot projects, regulatory things that have been changed. Theres